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November 29, 2010

As I was doing a little research for my next overly long post, I stumbled across this. Best article I have ever read about the true history of evangelicals and the separation of church and state. Take a gander. This is the Baptist heritage I was taught.

“The Framers and the Faithful” by Steven Waldman.

  1. Dawn permalink

    Wow, really interesting. What current evangelicals might take from this article is, “Be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it.”

  2. No kidding, Dawn. What has scared me is the lack of scholarship. As usual, we use history to suit our own agenda, not to discover any truth.

  3. jeff permalink

    As you know, I’m a firm believer in the separation of church and state. I love this quote:

    “During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on
    trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the
    Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and

    And things have changed now? What does it say in Ecclesiastes…”there is nothing new under the sun”? How things are different, yet the same. The lure of power and influence has tainted so many a pastor/religious leader, and has ruined many a man and a church. History has shown that the Gospel flourishes where it is illegal or neglected. I don’t see how history will disprove itself just because we think we are smarter and have learned from our mistakes. We haven’t and we won’t. Just as an empire begins to die when morality wanes and personal freedoms trump sacrifice for order, so goes America. People of faith see the decline in morality and want to change it. The easiest way is to let someone else do it. Hence, let Government do it!

    The greatest commands are to love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. Most don’t want to love their neighbor because that would be a sacrifice and might make them uncomfortable. We want our freedom, but we also want freedom from responsibility. In that way, we are no different from the immoral masses. It has always been that way.

  4. Amen, Jeff. I loved the same quote. And we will never learn from history because we are too lazy to ever actually read it or the Bible for ourselves. Much easier to let other people “tell” us what it says. As for the decline in morality, methinks we need to spend more time looking at ourselves and less pointing fingers at our neighbors.

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